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Post by Cate on Feb 23, 2006 13:56:20 GMT -5
I've almost finished this book -- about 20 more pages. I was too tired last night to sit and read that many more although I did force myself to read about 150 on 3 hours sleep. I'm so glad I read it. I never knew much about Spencer Tracy but, reading words written by a longtime friend, it made me see how Kate could have fallen in love with this man. One of many parts that got me was when Van Johnson was offered this part in Guy Named Joe but he had an accident (a carwreck? I don't know), a head injury and figured he was out of the play. The minute he got out of the hospital he got a call from his agent saying he needed to report to work on Monday because Spencer Tracy had held up production just for him.
He seemed like such a passionate, caring guy that now, whenever I think that I used to wonder why Kate (I even feel bad about calling her Kate now! ("And where do you come off calling her Kate?! You don't even know her!")) stayed with someone like Spencer Tracy, I could kick myself.
Anyway, I'm so in love with this book. Great stories. I think I'll read it again as soon as I'm finished in case I missed anything.
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Post by smith on Feb 23, 2006 14:05:53 GMT -5
Hi Catherine,
I am glad that you enjoyed the book . Spencer by all accounts was an absolutely charming man and women loved him . I can't remember the quote but a friend of mine said that most people loved Spencer despite the darkness in his life . He was an incredibly loyal friend and was very intelligent . And he had red hair as well.
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Post by Cate on Feb 23, 2006 15:30:51 GMT -5
Something about that red hair. . .
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Post by smith on Feb 23, 2006 17:11:24 GMT -5
Someone who knew both Dr Hepburn and Spencer commented that the physical resemblance between the two men was striking . They both had red hair and Katharine adored red hair
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Post by Cate on Feb 23, 2006 19:24:14 GMT -5
I guess it's one more thing that supports the idea that women search for their father in their mates (and vice versa).
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Post by HollywoodHepcat on Feb 23, 2006 20:25:27 GMT -5
Yup, Freud would've had a field day with Kate and Spence.  Catherine, T&H is the most amazing book in the history of books! Well, besides "Me". But then T&H all the way! How could you not just adore Spencer? Such a great down-to-earth guy and dare I say kinda schexy, too.. *blushes*Noithing's hotter than integrity. Okay, yes, I have had a really intense crush on the fella going on 4 years now. I'm with Kate on this one, RED hair is HOTT. And he's rolly-polly and adorable and you wanna poke him like a teddy bear that squeaks.. Him and Robert Taylor -- I swoon! </end rant> I'm doomed to the pathway of spinsterhood. All of my crushes are dead.  Anyways, what were we talking about again? Oh right, T&H! How intelligent Spence was! The feat on his 64th B-day, for example. Outlining the plot of all 64 mystery novels. I guess I'll come back to this thread when I'm off my Spencer high.. ;D Sorry you had to read that up there. |
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Post by smith on Feb 23, 2006 21:26:33 GMT -5
Except Katharine disliked Freud .  We know that Katharine loved Spencer's hair and she was generally attracted to traditional looking guys - by that I mean guys that had a solid build and she liked people with freckles |
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Post by Judy on Feb 23, 2006 23:21:33 GMT -5
Except Katharine disliked Freud . We know that Katharine loved Spencer's hair and she was generally attracted to traditional looking guys - by that I mean guys that had a solid build and she liked people with freckles I've been looking over some of my books and things and came across the copy of the program that was printed in 1985 when Kate was given the Council of Fashion Designers of America Lifetime Achievement Award. The program includes an interview conducted by Calvin Klein - all about her personal style, etc. At one point he asks about her mode of dress: Klein: Were you influenced by any of the men you knew at that time? Kate: No! I never dressed up for any man. If I thought he cared how I looked, I would have thought he was a fool. I really would have. The men dressed for me, you know. Nobody ever made a pass at me unless I fully expected them to and welcomed the notion. Not exactly on topic, but sorta... What a sketch she was.... Judy |
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Post by smith on Feb 24, 2006 0:49:17 GMT -5
That's hilarious - I guess she wasn't surprised then when Spencer made a pass - it was sort of expected
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Post by Cate on Feb 24, 2006 2:30:15 GMT -5
Yeah, that is funny even though she didn't really get what he was asking lol But hey, she marched to the beat of her own wonderful drum. As for Freud, when I became all obsessive about psychiatry I read a bit on him but not enough to form a hateful opinion except I've heard so much about him being sexist and equating pretty much every thought with something sexual or incestuous. I love learning about the workings of the mind but I really think pharmaceuticals are overprescribed. Exercise and water is my cure. Then there's Buddhism which I've been reading about also... Some inspiring things but also a hint of condoning laziness... Sorry about the ramble. Anyway, YES! I was completely blown away by the part in T&H when Spence goes through the 64 books (what an expensive and time-consuming gift that must have been) and actually sums each of them up (with the exception of THREE!). Except Katharine disliked Freud . We know that Katharine loved Spencer's hair and she was generally attracted to traditional looking guys - by that I mean guys that had a solid build and she liked people with freckles I've been looking over some of my books and things and came across the copy of the program that was printed in 1985 when Kate was given the Council of Fashion Designers of America Lifetime Achievement Award. The program includes an interview conducted by Calvin Klein - all about her personal style, etc. At one point he asks about her mode of dress: Klein: Were you influenced by any of the men you knew at that time? Kate: No! I never dressed up for any man. If I thought he cared how I looked, I would have thought he was a fool. I really would have. The men dressed for me, you know. Nobody ever made a pass at me unless I fully expected them to and welcomed the notion. Not exactly on topic, but sorta... What a sketch she was.... Judy |
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Post by karina on Feb 24, 2006 12:40:14 GMT -5
With Kate & Spence though, it was also a case of opposites attract:
single no children - married 2 children
atheist - catholic
teetotal (virtually, at the time) - serious drinking problems
tall & skinny - average & stocky
and so on............
It's quite interesting about the red hair & freckles though - this gene runs through several of my own relatives but to date, none of them has been attracted by the same feature in the opposite sex.
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Post by smith on Feb 24, 2006 13:03:26 GMT -5
Karina,
In T and H Katharine laughed that she should have married Dick and then commented that she probably ruined his life . But Dick and Peg really looked like Katharine
Dick's partner Virgina really looked like the Hepburns as well
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Post by Cate on Feb 24, 2006 17:40:18 GMT -5
I finished it last night -- fantastic!!! I have to read it again. I can't believe (actually.. I can) that Kate got the entire construction crew across the street to be silent for 9 minutes for the duration of Coco's run! That is so fabulously Kate and so awesome of the construction crew. Then lovely ole ConEd shows up and makes a racket at precisely the time they're supposed to be quiet and the supervisor of the construction crew makes sure he writes a letter to Kate to tell her it wasn't them -- and that they informed them of the 9 minute rule. LOL
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Post by smith on Feb 24, 2006 17:58:52 GMT -5
Catherine,
Its a wonderful book even if Katharine didn't want to have it published because of Louise . And such a wonderful description of Katharine and Spencer
Are you aware that there are two sections that Garson wrote that never made it to the final book . One was a brief description of Katharine going to the gravesite every day after Spencer's death and the other was a description of Kanin and Spencer sitting in a cafe trying to explain male homosexuality to Katharine who steadfastly refused to believe them.
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Post by Shaun on Feb 24, 2006 18:05:31 GMT -5
That last one wasn't in the book smith? I remember reading that somewhere.
LOL...the construction story...funny! If Kate asked me to lay down over a mud puddle so she could walk over it, I'd do it.
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