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Post by courtneymarie on Feb 28, 2010 22:54:01 GMT -5
I have been on a sort of a quest to find pics of the California house...9191 St. Ives Drive I believe...I found a few aerial shots from google earth but I'm still not sure where it is...can anyone help me ?   this is the current 9191 St. Ives Drive front:  |
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Post by CrazyForKate on Feb 28, 2010 23:00:18 GMT -5
Maybe include the pic from Vanity Fair of a "George Cukor guesthouse" for comparison? Can't find the article...  |
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Post by courtneymarie on Mar 1, 2010 0:10:32 GMT -5
K...here is the pool at least...I have referenced the pool by the terrace roof from above...  |
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Post by charliesgirl7681 on Mar 1, 2010 21:43:53 GMT -5
wow this is cool! I really wish I could go to CA it would be fun walking around looking at the houses.
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Post by turtlebay on Mar 3, 2010 1:36:35 GMT -5
You have got it right. 9191 St. Ives was the guest house Tracy rented from Cukor until his death and Kate rented thereafter until Cukor's death. George's house is now owned by Lynn Von Kersting and Richard Irving, who welcome Hollywood's biggest players daily at their restaurants, the Ivy and Ivy at the Shore. She is an interior decorator and has been very sensitive about the homes history. She still has William Haines original copper molding in the living room. She also tore down the house just in front (that I believe was built after Cukor's death) and has a rose garden. The three guest houses below were designed by John Woolf, a great Hollywood architect and designer, and were separated from the estate after Cukor's death. One is owned by an interior designer and is featured in an Architectural Digest issue. A Vanity Fair issue of March '09 has an article about John Woolf. It mentions that the only person he ever disliked was our Kate. Seems she wanted a fireplace and he didn't. She won. One of our friends has the fireplace mantel.
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Post by Judy on Mar 3, 2010 10:18:08 GMT -5
You have got it right. 9191 St. Ives was the guest house Tracy rented from Cukor until his death and Kate rented thereafter until Cukor's death. George's house is now owned by Lynn Von Kersting and Richard Irving, who welcome Hollywood's biggest players daily at their restaurants, the Ivy and Ivy at the Shore. She is an interior decorator and has been very sensitive about the homes history. She still has William Haines original copper molding in the living room. She also tore down the house just in front (that I believe was built after Cukor's death) and has a rose garden. The three guest houses below were designed by John Woolf, a great Hollywood architect and designer, and were separated from the estate after Cukor's death. One is owned by an interior designer and is featured in an Architectural Digest issue. A Vanity Fair issue of March '09 has an article about John Woolf. It mentions that the only person he ever disliked was our Kate. Seems she wanted a fireplace and he didn't. She won. One of our friends has the fireplace mantel. But she moved out in 1978, so she would have stopped renting it just a few year's before Cukor's death. I've seen those photos of he interior of Lynn Von Kersting and Richard Irving's version. I was relieved to see that the molding was kept, but the rest does not suit my taste. But that's what makes horse races. I've also read John Woolf's tale and I'm glad Kate won. Also glad your friend has the mantel so people who cared about her - your friend, you - can visit it. I feel fortunate to own one of her mantels myself - the chestnut one from Tracy's cottage and later from Fenwick. It creaks all the time, but I figure that's just Kate saying hello every now and then. |
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Post by turtlebay on Mar 3, 2010 10:59:49 GMT -5
Judy I mean you. You're our friend. You gave Kate's original design a home. I had a copy made of George's copper mantel and as I mentioned before had a copy made of Kate's Turtlebay living room mantel. Something about fireplaces made Kate happy. Even in sunny SoCal. She didn't think a home was complete without one. Even if it didn't work.
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Post by Judy on Mar 3, 2010 14:25:37 GMT -5
Judy I mean you. You're our friend. You gave Kate's original design a home. I had a copy made of George's copper mantel and as I mentioned before had a copy made of Kate's Turtlebay living room mantel. Something about fireplaces made Kate happy. Even in sunny SoCal. She didn't think a home was complete without one. Even if it didn't work. LOL....Just chalk that up to a senior moment. That's right. I recall now that you had made a copy of he Turtle Bay mantel. I never grew up with fireplaces and my only real experience with one was when I helped a friend move into an apartment on the upper West Side. The place had a fireplace and she HAD grown up with them, so she immediately lit it. And just as immediately, the entire apartment filled up with black smoke. The flue was all clogged up. Oy what a mess. |
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Post by courtneymarie on Mar 3, 2010 16:06:20 GMT -5
Thank you all so much for helping!!!!  It's so nice having such knowledgeable people helping out with all of these Kate questions...especially when your 22 and trying to find out all you can about her and actually getting facts lol  The only thing that was confusing to me was that they are called "cottages"...they seem so large from the air...I guess that's Hollywood's version of a cottage lol Court |
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Post by martha on Mar 4, 2010 13:17:16 GMT -5
on the "cottages" theme ... mansions on Long Island (and Newport for that matter) in the 1800s and early 1900s were also called "cottages" ... summer escapes for the "rich and mighty" ... ah words. aren't they wonderful?
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Post by Judy on Mar 4, 2010 15:53:04 GMT -5
on the "cottages" theme ... mansions on Long Island (and Newport for that matter) in the 1800s and early 1900s were also called "cottages" ... summer escapes for the "rich and mighty" ... ah words. aren't they wonderful? But these cottages in L.A. were smaller - certainly not estates. . . . The early, establishing houses in Fenwick were all referred to as cottages. They were big - and in those days, possibly considered grand - though not LI and Newport grand - and they really WERE summer "cottages" full of sand from the beaches and in the Hepburns' case, on occasion, the Long Island Sound. |
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Post by turtlebay on Mar 4, 2010 20:59:22 GMT -5
In LA most often cottages or 'guest cottage/guest house' are considered the subordinate house to the main house of the property. Whether 300 sq. ft or 3,000, privacy has always been the main draw. Even today, some are legal and some are not. It was the owner of the main house who had to deal with taxes, maintenance, utilities, gardening, etc. They were and are a very desirable situation.
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