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Post by smith on Dec 3, 2005 19:07:35 GMT -5
Katharine at one point said that she was always attracted to bad eggs and that they were attracted to her . If anybody has a theory about it that doesn't involve a Leaming like explanation - I would be interested to hear your ideas .
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Post by Shaun on Dec 3, 2005 19:30:36 GMT -5
Bad eggs? Did she think that Spencer and Luddy were bad eggs?
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Post by Judy on Dec 3, 2005 19:32:56 GMT -5
Katharine at one point said that she was always attracted to bad eggs and that they were attracted to her . If anybody has a theory about it that doesn't involve a Leaming like explanation - I would be interested to hear your ideas . I'd say that for all her healthy egotism and apparent toughness of spirit, she was a person with great reserves of compassion for people. And that was combined with a mischievous streak that took pleasure in flaunting the rules and just plain having a little fun. And the bad eggs, the ones who lived the same way - a bit outside the norm, not the standard issue - appealed to her sense of adventure. And SHE was probably not the easiest conquest in the world, so any man who could take it had to also have a bit of a desire for the unusual. All the contradictions that seemed to reside in one skinny broad from CT - strong yet utterly vulnerable, sensible yet a risk taker, avant garde yet rock solid - are the things that made her such an appealing personality.
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Post by smith on Dec 3, 2005 19:43:53 GMT -5
Well Luddy wasn't a bad egg but she bascially rejected the comfortable life she could have had when she ended the relationship - think about it - if she had stayed married she would never have had to work - Luddy was very well off and she could have lived a comfortable middle class life . But that just wasn't Katharine.
Spencer - definitely a bad egg but not a bad person . He was dangerous - he liked the ladies and I am sure Katharine knew when she met him that their life together wasn't going to be predictable.
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Post by smith on Feb 15, 2006 6:16:46 GMT -5
Bad eggs - Phelps Putnam - the poet
Katharine met him in her final year of university and lived with him for a couple of months . The relationship didn't go anywhere as Katharine's father allegedly said he would shoot Putnam if the relationship went any further . Putnam wrote one of his most famous poems which apparently was inspired by Katharine . Do I think the poem Daughters of the Sun was inspired by Katharine ? Katharine said she thought it was and I think so . I mean when he talks about the girl with the fox coloured hair - who else was he talking about.
P.S Phelps was very good looking
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Post by karina on Feb 15, 2006 12:51:58 GMT -5
What about Garson Kanin - exactly how involved were they (or not). And would you rate him as a bad egg.....?
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Post by Sherry on Feb 15, 2006 14:48:32 GMT -5
Katharine at one point said that she was always attracted to bad eggs and that they were attracted to her . If anybody has a theory about it that doesn't involve a Leaming like explanation - I would be interested to hear your ideas . I'd say that for all her healthy egotism and apparent toughness of spirit, she was a person with great reserves of compassion for people. And that was combined with a mischievous streak that took pleasure in flaunting the rules and just plain having a little fun. And the bad eggs, the ones who lived the same way - a bit outside the norm, not the standard issue - appealed to her sense of adventure. And SHE was probably not the easiest conquest in the world, so any man who could take it had to also have a bit of a desire for the unusual. All the contradictions that seemed to reside in one skinny broad from CT - strong yet utterly vulnerable, sensible yet a risk taker, avant garde yet rock solid - are the things that made her such an appealing personality. I have to vote with Judy on this issue. Kate was just a rather unconventional woman -- that's what made her so fascinating. Kate and Luddy just kind of fell into that marriage. I think she wanted it cause he wanted it -- she just got swept up in the idea of it just as she probably thought that she loved him when what she really did was "like"him. She was a young girl and obviously a romantic. Can't be an actor and not be a romantic. As regards Kanin, he was attracted to Kate and had hopes of a relationship but seems that it was a friendship with some dates and that's about it. I wouldn't really call any of her men "bad eggs" and even when she used the term, doubt that she meant "bad" in the conventional sense. Her men were more "complex" personalities than "bad" and I think Kate liked the challenge of being with a complex person cause she was rather complex herself. With Kate's background, the surprise would have been if she'd settled for being the wife of a Philadelphia Main Line patrician. I think THAT choice would have disturbed her parents more than her becoming an actor.
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Post by Cate on Feb 15, 2006 19:53:39 GMT -5
I have to agree with Judy as well... Whether or not they were bad eggs is up to the perceiver. Maybe Luddy was too comfortable. Katharine liked challenges and maybe that also included her relationships. She liked to work at everything; Not take the easy route. She could also have felt that being with a difficult man would have decreased the chances of him wanting to settle down and smother her. What's a Leaming-like response?
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Post by karina on Feb 16, 2006 11:16:04 GMT -5
Guess a Leaming like response would be anything along the lines of drunken, guilt-ridden Irish Catholic needing mothering..................
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Post by Cate on Feb 16, 2006 15:08:49 GMT -5
haha! OK. I've not read the entire Leaming biography. I kind of glanced through it but nothing caught my eye.
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Post by smith on Feb 16, 2006 16:36:41 GMT -5
I think one of Leaming's major mistakes is that she somehow assumes that Katharine would have been happy in a relationship with John Ford . In fact everything I have read about Ford suggests that he really wasn't comfortable with women and could be downright nasty to people he worked with .
Everybody who knew Spencer commented on that he really liked women and had many women friends .
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