Well, "knowing" the Hepburns, I doubt it offended them if they're anything like Kate's generation of Hepburns. They probably didn't even watch it! The scene in The Aviator annoys me. I have a feeling he totally fictionalized it. Surely they weren't that obnoxious, talking over each other. If they were so big on holding your own in a conversation, why would they keep interrupting? Unless you have to say something really profound in order to capture everyone's attention. It would have been wonderful to sit at the table with them. Maybe a little intimidating, but I'm sure a very enlightening experience.
:I never lose sight of the fact that just being is fun: Katharine Houghton Hepburn @-}---------
. . . I like how Berg didn't end the book on sad note; after telling about the day she died, he tells of a fantasy of his where he meets a young Kate..at a dance..in Philadelphia. I've read the Berg book twice, maybe it's time for a third...
I thought the ending was one of the worst things about the book. To quote Robert Gottlieb in his New York Times article about the book:
". . . . Apart from the astonishment that if someone actually had this daydream, he wouldn't be too mortified to share it, what registers most sharply is that the first word of Berg's book is "I've" and the last is "me."
I found nothing wrong with the ending. If you browse this site a bit, you'll find that we all have our own Kate fantasies, which isn't the least bit mortifying. Berg's conclusion just further cemented his admiration and infatuation with Kate, something all of her fans share. Overall I thought it was a great ending for a great book.
"Life is hard. After all, it kills you."--Katharine Hepburn
Who is guesttoo anyway? Berg is referring to the time when Kate didn't even remember who Berg was and said she met him at a dance... If I remember correctly, guesttoo only posts when books are mentioned. Are you a critic? Who cares what Gottlieb thinks?
:I never lose sight of the fact that just being is fun: Katharine Houghton Hepburn @-}---------
To Shaun: I also liked that little fantasy ending that Berg included. By the time I read the ending I was in tears because for anyone who loves Kate, seeing her life end was terribly sad. Didn't matter that she was 96 and had lived a long life. Just terribly sad to know that such a vibrant person was gone. I think Berg gave us a little gift with his fantasy. He realized how sad her death was for the reader so he added his fantasy and left us with an image of an eternally young, beautiful Kate in a white gown at a dance on the Main Line. Nothing wrong with a bit of fantasy especially if it helps to shield us from some of the pain that life dishes out.
As one goes through life, one learns that if you don't paddle your own canoe, you don't move!
I think the scene was a total slander of the Hepburn family . The family did like to share their ideas and they apparently did all talk at once but Kit Hepburn by all accounts was a gracious hostess . The fact that Howard in real life didn't fit in was probably more due to the fact that he was uncomfortable with strangers and didn't really have any family life of his own - he wouldn't been able to relate to it - Katharine mentioned this in the Berg biography .
I agree. I think the Hepburns were "used" in the film for comic effect. Like it was a scene out of "You Can't Take It With You." We were supposed to think of KH as snooty and were supposed to see where all that came from.
As Smith points out, it wasn't the talking all at once that was the problem. Kate's said that they did, as have others. It was the way they were made to appear:
Dr. Hepburn was a sort of dunce. Mrs. Hepburn was an arrogant snob. Luddy was a silly lapdog. And they were all made to look as if they were from the uppah clahss and old money - which, though a case could be made for Kit (a flimsy one, though), could not have been further from the truth.
of course it is very subjective and he probably left out a lot.. but while reading I all the time felt like being part of their conversations and experiences, either as berg himself or as a silent observer!!! I love the way he describes everything, I had the feeling as if kate was right there! I learnt so many things about her, her life, her career, I didn't know yet. I also liked how berg brings Old Hollywood back to the reader and one also feels like being part of it.
And although I knew how it would end, I had to cry. - but I quite liked the vision or image of kate he leaves you with.
I enjoyed the book very much and can't wait to read it again. He should do another one!!! He must have plenty of material to tell!!!
Last Edit: Aug 6, 2006 13:43:53 GMT -5 by KateLover
"Listen to the Song of Life." "People come into our lives for a reason, a season or a lifetime." "Everyone thought I was bold and fearless and even arrogant. But inside I was quaking." - Katharine Hepburn
About Berg's book... Well, I have it of course. I think it's the only Kate's biography translated into Polish. I'm afraid, we aren't "crazy-about- Kate" nation. And I love some parts of this book. I can't quote (have Polish edition), but for example: “Oh, I’m endlessly fascinating,” parcheesi, Kate's explanation, why she has no children, many jokes (these about Phyllis are great), stories about work on sets, part when Berg's playing song from Coco, Michael Jackson's part (love it, I almost see Kate face when I read it and laugh out loud!), Kate's opinon about people (especially Beatty - in love "with the same man" and Olivier) and so on. What's more, Berg is a really good writer. He can amuse and move to tears. He's intelligent and he could talk with Kate (I'm sure it was huge challenge). But (and it's big "but") I don't like some things. Spmetimes I have impression it's book about "Old, helpless actress and her hero - Mr. Berg". There is too much Berg and too little Katharine Hepburn. In conclusion: "Kate Rememberd" is great book... when Berg remembers Kate and let her talk.
Judy: All has changed on the Proboard....Not sure my reply got posted. Anyway, thanks for the notice, Evelien. I'm unable to access it. I can watch the clip of the woman flipping through the Kate books and talking about fashion - one of which is Rebel Chic :-)
Feb 4, 2014 20:29:21 GMT -5
dreamer: Ok peeps have tried to figure this new board - with not much success In order to login - click at the upper right corner - use your name from the board and your password and it should be all right. If not - please let me know and I will try to help!
Jul 29, 2014 7:30:03 GMT -5
Judy: I can enter. But not sure how to post now....Although I have nothing exciting to say, except hello to everyone!
Jul 29, 2014 20:34:38 GMT -5
Sherry: Hello in return.
Jul 31, 2014 10:40:25 GMT -5
HollywoodHepcat: Awww, hiiii!! I'm randomly here in hope of sourcing a quote of Kate's about Joel Mccrea-- coming up short, though. Ah well, hope everyone is well!! FINALLY A RED AND WHITE BANNER. TOOK 8 YEARS, BUT... WE MADE IT.
Aug 5, 2014 20:43:01 GMT -5
Tracy Lord: Just wanted to say a big HEY to everyone! I would love it if this board was active like it once was. I've missed it!
Aug 6, 2014 17:23:36 GMT -5
evelien: Hi everyone, hope you're all fine. I'm still alive and kicking and still as big a KH fan.
Aug 12, 2014 12:09:24 GMT -5
evelien: Judy: to reply to an existing thread, you can post a message in the 'quick reply' box under the last post on the page. To create a new thread: click on the folder you wish to post a new thread in and on the top right side you can choose 'New thread'.
Aug 12, 2014 12:11:39 GMT -5
CFK: So we all heard about Betty Bacall, I guess? Pretty rotten news, especially following so closely on Robin Williams. What a lousy week. Watched To Have and Have Not as tribute tonight.
Aug 13, 2014 0:25:58 GMT -5
HollywoodHepcat: Oh my God. Betty. My heart's in my throat.
Aug 13, 2014 5:45:59 GMT -5
lomola : hello fellow KH fans Just stumbled upon this interesting board.. Does anyone have any video interviews with KH?? Or maybe transcripts of them? I´ve been especially looking for the full version of the famous Cavett one forever and ever...
Sept 15, 2014 16:06:41 GMT -5
lomola : the bits of it i found on youtube were just amazing..
Sept 15, 2014 16:07:35 GMT -5
Laura: Is there anybody here? My registration has been pending approval forever... Maybe this board has been abandonned by the owner..
Dec 15, 2014 3:40:49 GMT -5
Fran: I think the problem with actresses such as Bette Davis and Joan Crawford was that they played SEX SYMBOLS and did woman movies. They were sexy in their day and were the main love interests in the movie. When they got older those woman type movies were dead
Jun 26, 2017 16:56:41 GMT -5
Fran: Bette Davis made very different movies from Katherine Hepburn Hepburn. Bette was sexy. So was Crawford. They made woman type movies. Hepburn was the masculine feminist. When their looks went, so did their careers. Hepburn was never that type.
Jun 26, 2017 16:57:53 GMT -5
Angela: Personally, I like Bette Davis best she was "a woman for all season" she didn't mince words she did the role without having to apologize for creativity she musters to do the work. Also, she could look different without worrying about her appearance.
Mar 14, 2019 19:54:07 GMT -5
Angela: Personally, I felt Bette Davis was the "woman for all seasons" since she used all her creativity to make her artwork. As for Katherine she seems to sound the same - her voice didn't change. Granted she was good in Shakespeare which I give credit.
Mar 14, 2019 19:56:35 GMT -5
SJS: Bette had a mostly latent tendency to ham, and she admitted it. She really appreciated a director who could get her to tone it down. She lost respect for a director who would let her get away with it. But she took chances that most actresses wouldn't.
Apr 15, 2020 14:12:32 GMT -5