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Post by HollywoodHepcat on Jun 30, 2006 15:17:50 GMT -5
Well, Yes and No. The whole family is kinda like "wtf" but Kathy sort of acts as the representative. She said they had no idea that Berg was even writing a book. And she swore! AHHH Kathy Houghton never swears. But that's what she told my friend. So those are her words, not mine.
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Post by elizabeth on Jun 30, 2006 15:30:30 GMT -5
Well, Yes and No. The whole family is kinda like "wtf" but Kathy sort of acts as the representative. She said they had no idea that Berg was even writing a book. And she swore! AHHH Kathy Houghton never swears. But that's what she told my friend. So those are her words, not mine. That's interesting. Does your friend know Kathy Houghton? The Berg book was the first Kate bio that I read, and I think it's pretty good. I particularly enjoy his accounts of spending time with Kate - I feel like you really get to know her personality. But the stuff about her career, etc., isn't laid out very creatively - it's as if he is just reciting it because he has to. But, overall, I thought i was an interesting book, and I certainly hope that all the stories he tells are true, because they're fascinating!
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Post by dreamer on Oct 4, 2006 9:36:54 GMT -5
What strikes me is - the title -, should have been “Me and Kate” or “Mr. Berg and Kate”
And then where were he, as she got older and (sorry for the word) fragile. Why didn't he have time for her? Why does he describe her the way he does. Sometimes he is even exposing.
Heard an interview with him about his book - think it was NPR but not sure (searched for it but they might have removed it, didn't find it) - about a year ago - saying something like, she might have been a double gather - spoke about Irene Selznick’s reaction of the visit that Kate had. Does a friend put you in such a light? He had put a seamen in the mind of many people by that. Think it is speculations.
Kate once said something like; that she wouldn't talk about with whom she had been to bed with and that she couldn't understand why people care about things like that and that she didn't want to hear about whom you had been to bed with. (Think it was in "private world") And so it should be.
Did anyone of you hear that interview? Or know the link to it?
Obvious she didn’t quit trust him, she searched his things through at one occasion - think it must have been about the time as the Leaming book was came out. (Discussed somewhere here in a thread.) Wasn’t he introduced to the girl? Otherwise he would have known the girl and didn’t have to speculate. Think, when you are a friend, you have obligations. Was he a friend? Does a friend act like that? You also have time, he didn’t. The point is that she trusted him.
About Leaming and as someone mentioned earlier: Katharine Houghton had ordered the Ford letters and there was nothing to it. But it had upset Kate. This one would have upset her as well.
Both writers were drawing a different picture of Spencer than Kate or other writers. Think they spat on him/the memory we have of him and the picture of him that Kate gave us. Not to speak of them together. Garson Kanin wrote that a play writer said to Spencer, that Kate wasn’t a real actress but a tremendous personality. And how Spencer put him down and defended Kate. Nobody was allowed to say anything negative about Kate in front of him. Wauh, what a MAN.
To begin with Kate might have thought Berg would be the one to write her biography, because of his other biographies. The further one comes into the book the lesser Kate speaks and I’m not thinking of health problems. Don’t believe he lived up to what she expected him to write. And if it was authorised he could have documented that by taping the conversations as by the interview or otherwise. Instead he was busy writing in his room before going to bed. She never saw one thing he wrote about her other than the interview that was never to be released.
And at last, the family didn’t know about the book, nor did Cynthia McFadden, the people whom Kate trusted. Would be surprised if Kate had said the P-word about Cynthia.
As far as I am aware of Cynthia McFadden hasn’t commented the book up till this day.
Of course I read the book more than once, loved many pieces in it. Sopped a lot of times, ex. as were the siblings talked about Tom as she silent, turned away crying.
BUT also felt that Kate was exposed like in a sales window.
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Post by Shaun on Oct 22, 2006 16:17:29 GMT -5
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Post by Sherry on Oct 22, 2006 22:08:28 GMT -5
Hi Shaun, KH: An Independent Woman isn't really a bio. It has her life story, to be sure, but the book is really a photo book. And the photos make the book worth owning or at least seeing so if you can pick up a copy, I think you'll enjoy it because the photos are terrific.
If you haven't read it yet, I think you'd enjoy Roy Newquist's book "A Special Kind of Magic" in which he interviews Kate, Tracy, Kathy Houghton, Sidney Poitier, and Stanley Kramer at the time that they made GWCTD. This is one of the few interviews that Tracy ever gave and the interview with Kate is very good. You can buy the book from Alibris for as little as $2.95
Sherry
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Post by dreamer on Oct 23, 2006 4:19:18 GMT -5
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Post by Shaun on Oct 23, 2006 11:40:36 GMT -5
Thanks dreamer. I've ordered At Home with Kate, it should be coming in the mail soon. Maybe I'll get that second one you mentioned.
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Post by Shaun on Oct 24, 2006 13:07:58 GMT -5
I think I just screwed myself. I found an advanced reader's copy of At Home With Kate on ebay for $3. Today it arrived and on the cover it's printed "uncorrected proofs--not for sale." It's printed on cheap paper and the black and white photos are a really crappy quality, plus the table of contents is unfinished and some of the pictures are missing, in their place it has notes of what is supposed to be there. This thing probably has tons of other errors. I should have waited and bought this at Borders or Barnes and Noble. GAH!!
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Post by dreamer on Oct 24, 2006 13:18:18 GMT -5
What a mess Shaun
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Post by Judy on Oct 24, 2006 13:47:08 GMT -5
I think I just screwed myself. I found an advanced reader's copy of At Home With Kate on ebay for $3. Today it arrived and on the cover it's printed "uncorrected proofs--not for sale." It's printed on cheap paper and the black and white photos are a really crappy quality, plus the table of contents is unfinished and some of the pictures are missing, in their place it has notes of what is supposed to be there. This thing probably has tons of other errors. I should have waited and bought this at Borders or Barnes and Noble. GAH!! Shaun: I have a copy of it as well. Uncorrected manuscripts are sent to publications in advance so that the books can receive publicity. It's not unusual and you were not cheated. I bet if you check the description on ebay you'll see that it's referred to as an uncorrected proof. I'm sure the person just works for some magazine and is selling their copy. The actual book is hardcover, photos are much better quality - so I'd buy another when you see it in the store....And just look upon the one you have as an eventual collector's item. Judy
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Post by Cate on Oct 24, 2006 13:55:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I wouldn't be so upset by it, Shaun... It could be a collector's item...
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Post by Shaun on Oct 24, 2006 22:08:37 GMT -5
Thanks Judy for the background info. The author's words are there and that's what's most important. Though I will be getting another copy.
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Post by dreamer on Nov 6, 2006 18:06:33 GMT -5
She didn't like music (?!! -- he thinks she considered it "noise") As I read this post a while back - this picture crossed my mind (silly me ) and thinking how much she liked reading (believing Berg in Kate Remembered) Think Kate belonged to a generation where you did one thing at a time - today it is common to hear music, read, sleep, do a lot of stuff at the same time. Believe she was as earthy as one can be and really enjoyed to concentrate on one thing at time. In Kate Remembered the author described a visit by Nancy Hamilton (or was it at someone else's house) and she would play records with the opera singer Birgit Nilsson - Kate would rather talk than listen to music as she visited. And that she didn't have a record player or TV set - natural for her - think she didn't have time for that - always keep a going - living her life. But I do not believe that she disliked music. Remember the photo in ME in front of the orchestra - or it might have been by the recording of Lincoln Portrait. Any of you recall this or more?
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Post by Richard on Feb 21, 2007 0:11:09 GMT -5
Garson Kanin's book Tracy and Hepburn arrived today. I'm still reading my other Dietrich book though, and it looks like I'm gonna have to put off my Hitchcock biography just so I can started on this one.
I'm really excited to read this. Should be quite insightful. By the way, has anyone read Young Kate by Christopher Anderson? I'm thinking of buying that one as well.
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Post by HollywoodHepcat on Feb 21, 2007 0:28:47 GMT -5
OMG YOU HAVEN'T READ IT YET?!?!?!?!
.... you haven't lived, clearly. ^_~
wait until you get to the part where she gave him the shingles hahaha. BIG STRESS SIGNIFIER... I gave my aunt kathy shingles hahaha. she is SUCH a pantsless offspring. and then there's this part where he calls her "honey" and I die a little. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!! HAH that's so weird, I just bought Anderson's Young Kate. And I also bought A Special Kind of Magic in which the author has signed WHOO! And it was only $11!!
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