I posted somewhere else (forget where...what kate film..I think) that when I first saw this I hated it. and thats true. I found it boring. And Lancaster pissed me off the whole time and I couldn't focus on Kate at all, let alone, the film.
Having watched it again, I'd like to change that.
I do enjoy it. It's still probably my least favorite (even under The Iron Petticoat ) but I did like HEAPS more the second time around. It's an interesting role for Kate, I actually don't think it suits her really. She always said that she was the maiden aunt so she found a lot of truth in those roles, but this is such a pitiful one. In Summertime she is positive and tries not to bog down in being a spinster, but it still...looking, for everything else, this character is just sorry. I don't know. I found it strange, and a tiny bit hard to watch. Although I did admire her decision in the end, in not being something she's not. At any rate Lancaster is annoying. I've decided that his character is annoying also, and that he's just playing it well. Or was he always like this? I've only ever seen Field Of Dreams, in which he was just cool, a sweet old doctor. Never seen his older films. If this is just how he acts - what an awful actor, so over the top.
Overall, on second watching, an odd but enjoyable film.
PS: GAH! when I posted this and viewed it, I realized I have deleted my avatar from photobucket! EEEK!
Last Edit: Jan 9, 2007 1:51:14 GMT -5 by Hepburner
I've only seen Burt Lancaster in two films beside this one--Sorry, Wrong Number and Judgement at Nuremberg. I didn't like him in either one. I never realised until now that I've never like him in anything I've seen him in (Rainmaker included).
"Life is hard. After all, it kills you."--Katharine Hepburn
According to IMDb: Paramount Studios wanted William Holden for the role of Starbuck. Bing Crosby wanted the role of Starbuck. Even Elvis was screens tested for the film, which should be his screen debut.
Could one of you guy's have imagined just one of them as Starbuck?
Having read who wanted to play Starbuck now, I grow even more fond of Lancaster as Starbuck - as I have been of him in many of his other films. (Try read his biography on IMDb, he was quite a personality).
Michal Freedlands book about Kate, tells that Lancaster wanted to play opposite Kate that much, that he made some sort of a deal with Hal Wallis with the promise to make the film Gunfight of the O.K. Corral just to get the part in The Rainmaker, a script he was not fond of and refused to learn the lines more than one day in advance. The total contrast of Kate.
Kate liked The Rainmaker so much and working with Hal Wallis, that she already then told Wallis that she wanted to work with John Wayne. It tok almost 25 years before it came to it.
Can someone correct me if I'm quoting something wrong?
Last Edit: Jan 10, 2007 18:47:18 GMT -5 by dreamer
"The time to make up your mind about people is never." ~ Tracy Lord
Holden had actually done a film in 1950 called Father is a Bachelor in where he played a similiar role to Starbuck. In that film, Holden plays a swindler and while on the run from police his character resides temporarily in a small country town where he plays father to a family of kids after learning that the children's mother and father were killed in an auto accident somewhere in Europe. The story is different from Rainmaker, but Holden got me thinking of Lancaster while watching.
Elvis and Kate... *shivers*
Last Edit: Jan 11, 2007 12:58:14 GMT -5 by Richard
"As a human being, I don't suppose I have any real individuality. I'm the people I've met; I'm a mixture of everything I've ever read or seen. I'm everyone I've ever loved."
I have to say that I like "The Rainmaker" and I do think that Lancaster did a great job playing Starbuck. Starbuck is a swaggering braggart and a snake oil salesman -- (so to speak) so Lancaster needed to play the character big and broad and a bit over the top because it made him that much more interesting and appealing when he admitted to Lizzie that he was insecure and had dreams that had gone unfulfilled just as she had hopes and dreams. He changed her life and she and her family changed his. Ultimately both Lizzie and Starbuck emerged as stronger people and because we'd been allowed to see the change that came over Starbuck, it made his character more appealing. Just as Lizzie learned to love Starbuck, the audience does, too, because ultimately, he turns out to be a decent guy. Plus, this film needed an actor playing the part who was masculine with a capital M, someone who was athletic and exuded danger -- an edge -- and Lancaster could do that very well. Lancaster in that tight black outfit reeked sex and danger and made him the perfect foil for Kate's character who was supposed to be the shy, skittish spinster attracted and yet repelled by him. I can't imagine what a horror this film would have been with Bing Crosby(!) as Starbuck. Bad enough having to see him play the Cary Grant (C.K. Dexter Haven) role in "High Society" that awful musical version of The Philadelphia Story.
As one goes through life, one learns that if you don't paddle your own canoe, you don't move!
Judy: All has changed on the Proboard....Not sure my reply got posted. Anyway, thanks for the notice, Evelien. I'm unable to access it. I can watch the clip of the woman flipping through the Kate books and talking about fashion - one of which is Rebel Chic :-)
Feb 4, 2014 20:29:21 GMT -5
dreamer: Ok peeps have tried to figure this new board - with not much success In order to login - click at the upper right corner - use your name from the board and your password and it should be all right. If not - please let me know and I will try to help!
Jul 29, 2014 7:30:03 GMT -5
Judy: I can enter. But not sure how to post now....Although I have nothing exciting to say, except hello to everyone!
Jul 29, 2014 20:34:38 GMT -5
Sherry: Hello in return.
Jul 31, 2014 10:40:25 GMT -5
HollywoodHepcat: Awww, hiiii!! I'm randomly here in hope of sourcing a quote of Kate's about Joel Mccrea-- coming up short, though. Ah well, hope everyone is well!! FINALLY A RED AND WHITE BANNER. TOOK 8 YEARS, BUT... WE MADE IT.
Aug 5, 2014 20:43:01 GMT -5
Tracy Lord: Just wanted to say a big HEY to everyone! I would love it if this board was active like it once was. I've missed it!
Aug 6, 2014 17:23:36 GMT -5
evelien: Hi everyone, hope you're all fine. I'm still alive and kicking and still as big a KH fan.
Aug 12, 2014 12:09:24 GMT -5
evelien: Judy: to reply to an existing thread, you can post a message in the 'quick reply' box under the last post on the page. To create a new thread: click on the folder you wish to post a new thread in and on the top right side you can choose 'New thread'.
Aug 12, 2014 12:11:39 GMT -5
CFK: So we all heard about Betty Bacall, I guess? Pretty rotten news, especially following so closely on Robin Williams. What a lousy week. Watched To Have and Have Not as tribute tonight.
Aug 13, 2014 0:25:58 GMT -5
HollywoodHepcat: Oh my God. Betty. My heart's in my throat.
Aug 13, 2014 5:45:59 GMT -5
lomola : hello fellow KH fans Just stumbled upon this interesting board.. Does anyone have any video interviews with KH?? Or maybe transcripts of them? I´ve been especially looking for the full version of the famous Cavett one forever and ever...
Sept 15, 2014 16:06:41 GMT -5
lomola : the bits of it i found on youtube were just amazing..
Sept 15, 2014 16:07:35 GMT -5
Laura: Is there anybody here? My registration has been pending approval forever... Maybe this board has been abandonned by the owner..
Dec 15, 2014 3:40:49 GMT -5
Fran: I think the problem with actresses such as Bette Davis and Joan Crawford was that they played SEX SYMBOLS and did woman movies. They were sexy in their day and were the main love interests in the movie. When they got older those woman type movies were dead
Jun 26, 2017 16:56:41 GMT -5
Fran: Bette Davis made very different movies from Katherine Hepburn Hepburn. Bette was sexy. So was Crawford. They made woman type movies. Hepburn was the masculine feminist. When their looks went, so did their careers. Hepburn was never that type.
Jun 26, 2017 16:57:53 GMT -5
Angela: Personally, I like Bette Davis best she was "a woman for all season" she didn't mince words she did the role without having to apologize for creativity she musters to do the work. Also, she could look different without worrying about her appearance.
Mar 14, 2019 19:54:07 GMT -5
Angela: Personally, I felt Bette Davis was the "woman for all seasons" since she used all her creativity to make her artwork. As for Katherine she seems to sound the same - her voice didn't change. Granted she was good in Shakespeare which I give credit.
Mar 14, 2019 19:56:35 GMT -5
SJS: Bette had a mostly latent tendency to ham, and she admitted it. She really appreciated a director who could get her to tone it down. She lost respect for a director who would let her get away with it. But she took chances that most actresses wouldn't.
Apr 15, 2020 14:12:32 GMT -5