One of my favourite Kate films, but why do you think she hated it so much? I know she didn't like the general atmosphere onset - in particular the treatment of Montgomery Clift - and obviously wasn't too keen on the subject matter, but in that case, why agree to do the film at all? I'm very glad she did, but what personal circumstances at the time compelled her to accept the role of a character she disliked immensely?
I have to say: I loved it too. It's hard, seeing art by someone so good, loving it so much, and then hearing they hated doing it. It's in a similar vein to The Iron Petticoat. That is by no means one of Kate's better films, but still, she's good, as always. And you feel like you shouldn't like it, because she didn't. Dilemma. What a bore.
As for Suddenly, Last Summer - I'm sure I read that Kate loved the play, loved the screenplay, loved Tennessee Williams (and who wouldn't?). In other words, loved the work, but that the on-set atmosphere was ALL that ruined it. I think it only natural to look back on the whole project negatively, if the shooting of it was a nightmare. Perhaps Kate didn't quite see the brilliance of it onscreen, or her view of it was colored by the experience. Who knows. Brilliant piece of work though.
'Alright. Alright. I stand accused of generosity' - Violet Venable.
Last Edit: Oct 3, 2006 22:28:38 GMT -5 by Hepburner
There's a thread on the IMDb Classic Film Board about whether Joan Crawford would have been better as Violet. (I'm sure she would have opted for the soft light.) I doubt she would have handled the long speeches as beautifully as Kate did.
"Life is hard. After all, it kills you."--Katharine Hepburn
As much as I enjoy films with Joan Crawford and am impressed with her work (seen until now) - don't believe Violet was a part for her. Some parts require more than beauty and acting skills - not sure if JC could have managed the long speeches either - she sure was beautiful but IMO the part acquired more than beauty - class (not social as with money, simply class by behavior).
Not out to hurt of offend anyone - but this is something that you get - that is IMO - in your upbringing and surroundings - the security, who you are. Nothing that one can really learn - you can achieve much but hardly ever the total or complete.
The question on imdb was if Kate was seductive enough. Which I found a strange question - because what is seductive? First it is in the eye of the beholder, second it must not have to do with being sexy like Monroe - but also in the way to move and behave. And I truly believe that Kate was just perfect and the right one to play Violet. I also think they forgot that the part requiered an older not sexy type but a settled woman who had had the "best" part and not to come.
It is most likely that the poster did compare Taylor with Kate but that is pure nonsense.
Last Edit: Apr 23, 2007 13:04:42 GMT -5 by dreamer
"The time to make up your mind about people is never." ~ Tracy Lord
Correction: Still don't like Whatever Happened to Baby Jane - this film is one of the strangest films ever seen and I don't get the camp thing around it. Tried to read me to it - but sadly no, it didn't help.
Am saddened that Bette, whom I find a wonderful actress to appear like baby Jane and Joan's part is too much humiliation. My stomach just turned. Don't misunderstand me - think they did a wonderful job - it just wasn't me.
Maybe the publishing and advertising around the film made it to what it has become with all its gossip and trashing.
"The time to make up your mind about people is never." ~ Tracy Lord
Well, I still didn't see it. But I love stories about Betty and Joan on the set. Have you read it? Really interesting.
About SLS... It's not my favorite movie of Kate (I don't think it's even in my top ten) but it made big impression on me. And there is one line I can't forget: "Truth is the bottom of a bottomless well".
She'd have been *too* melodramatic, wouldn't have handled the long speeches well at all, and...I don't know WHAT you all are saying - SHE IS UGLY. It would be inconceivable for Joan Crawford to have procured the men like Violet did.
But yeah. It's Kate's role. Perfect performance. End of story.
Judy: All has changed on the Proboard....Not sure my reply got posted. Anyway, thanks for the notice, Evelien. I'm unable to access it. I can watch the clip of the woman flipping through the Kate books and talking about fashion - one of which is Rebel Chic :-)
Feb 4, 2014 20:29:21 GMT -5
dreamer: Ok peeps have tried to figure this new board - with not much success In order to login - click at the upper right corner - use your name from the board and your password and it should be all right. If not - please let me know and I will try to help!
Jul 29, 2014 7:30:03 GMT -5
Judy: I can enter. But not sure how to post now....Although I have nothing exciting to say, except hello to everyone!
Jul 29, 2014 20:34:38 GMT -5
Sherry: Hello in return.
Jul 31, 2014 10:40:25 GMT -5
HollywoodHepcat: Awww, hiiii!! I'm randomly here in hope of sourcing a quote of Kate's about Joel Mccrea-- coming up short, though. Ah well, hope everyone is well!! FINALLY A RED AND WHITE BANNER. TOOK 8 YEARS, BUT... WE MADE IT.
Aug 5, 2014 20:43:01 GMT -5
Tracy Lord: Just wanted to say a big HEY to everyone! I would love it if this board was active like it once was. I've missed it!
Aug 6, 2014 17:23:36 GMT -5
evelien: Hi everyone, hope you're all fine. I'm still alive and kicking and still as big a KH fan.
Aug 12, 2014 12:09:24 GMT -5
evelien: Judy: to reply to an existing thread, you can post a message in the 'quick reply' box under the last post on the page. To create a new thread: click on the folder you wish to post a new thread in and on the top right side you can choose 'New thread'.
Aug 12, 2014 12:11:39 GMT -5
CFK: So we all heard about Betty Bacall, I guess? Pretty rotten news, especially following so closely on Robin Williams. What a lousy week. Watched To Have and Have Not as tribute tonight.
Aug 13, 2014 0:25:58 GMT -5
HollywoodHepcat: Oh my God. Betty. My heart's in my throat.
Aug 13, 2014 5:45:59 GMT -5
lomola : hello fellow KH fans Just stumbled upon this interesting board.. Does anyone have any video interviews with KH?? Or maybe transcripts of them? I´ve been especially looking for the full version of the famous Cavett one forever and ever...
Sept 15, 2014 16:06:41 GMT -5
lomola : the bits of it i found on youtube were just amazing..
Sept 15, 2014 16:07:35 GMT -5
Laura: Is there anybody here? My registration has been pending approval forever... Maybe this board has been abandonned by the owner..
Dec 15, 2014 3:40:49 GMT -5
Fran: I think the problem with actresses such as Bette Davis and Joan Crawford was that they played SEX SYMBOLS and did woman movies. They were sexy in their day and were the main love interests in the movie. When they got older those woman type movies were dead
Jun 26, 2017 16:56:41 GMT -5
Fran: Bette Davis made very different movies from Katherine Hepburn Hepburn. Bette was sexy. So was Crawford. They made woman type movies. Hepburn was the masculine feminist. When their looks went, so did their careers. Hepburn was never that type.
Jun 26, 2017 16:57:53 GMT -5
Angela: Personally, I like Bette Davis best she was "a woman for all season" she didn't mince words she did the role without having to apologize for creativity she musters to do the work. Also, she could look different without worrying about her appearance.
Mar 14, 2019 19:54:07 GMT -5
Angela: Personally, I felt Bette Davis was the "woman for all seasons" since she used all her creativity to make her artwork. As for Katherine she seems to sound the same - her voice didn't change. Granted she was good in Shakespeare which I give credit.
Mar 14, 2019 19:56:35 GMT -5
SJS: Bette had a mostly latent tendency to ham, and she admitted it. She really appreciated a director who could get her to tone it down. She lost respect for a director who would let her get away with it. But she took chances that most actresses wouldn't.
Apr 15, 2020 14:12:32 GMT -5