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Post by karina on May 9, 2005 13:26:45 GMT -5
Tha point about Kate is that she's incomparable! There really isn't/wasn't any other like her - she's a mix of so many different women, interesting when many of her critics claim she only played herself.
She had Bette Davis's Yankee independence but none of her melodrama (or coarseness), she had Garbo's sense of apartness & her beauty but not her exotic langour, she shared the masculinity but not the decadence of Dietrich and I hate comparisons with Meryl Streep, because other than their oscar nominations I can't see they have anything in common at all! Jeanne Moreau wasn't really in the same league -if we're making French comparisons I'd go for Isabelle Huppert for sheer acting talent. They even share the same colouring and famous freckles, if not the height.
Susan Sarandon's more a Bette/Kate mix and Sigourney Weaver shares some of the "haughtiness". Funnily enough, I can see Julia Roberts in several Kate roles and yet I wouldn't bracket the two together....and so it goes on.
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Post by Cate on May 9, 2005 13:43:31 GMT -5
There is no one like Katharine Hepburn but I must say that Cate Blanchett somewhat reminds me of her (I haven't seen The Aviator) but I can see a sort of resemblance in the mannerisms or attitude I guess. Not sure what it is but I think she was a great pick for the role of Kate... can't think of anyone else who could have played it. Is it just me or does Kate Bosworth remind you of Katharine Houghton?
Catherine ;D
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Post by karina on May 9, 2005 14:07:18 GMT -5
I can't comment on Kate Bosworth & Kate Houghton, but if we're comparing actresses then maybe we should compare different portrayals of the same role eg Joanne Woodward & Kate as Amanda Wingfield in The Glass Menagerie, Bette & Kate as Miss Moffat in The Corn is Green or Glenn Close & Kate as Eleanor of Aquitane in The Lion in Winter. What do you think?
And has anyone seen Maggie Smith as Violet Venable in the TV version of Suddenly Last Summer? (An interesting sideline - she took the role Kate coveted in Travels with my Aunt)
Vanessa Redgrave & Kate have both portrayed Mary Queen of Scots, and whilst I don't like to compare Grace Kelly as Tracy Lord in High Society, I wouldn't mind seeing the new revival of The Philadelphia Story in London right now.
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Post by Judy on May 11, 2005 9:25:19 GMT -5
Valles:
Moreau...Signoret....Magnani RULE!
They are all magnificent creatures....
Here's something I've been thinking about for a while now...The uniqueness of these actresses we admire.
Starting with Kate Hepburn at the top of my list, but continuing with Davis, Stanwyck, Moreau, Bergman and many many more I could mention who came up in the 30's, 40's and 50's.
While it's a nice game to play to try and find actresses today who compare - and I am a fan of Streep, Julianne Moore and others - when push comes to shove, I really do not think ANYONE compares to these women.
You know that phrase: "They had faces then"?
It's true. They were pains in the butt, ego driven and brilliant. They had faces and intellect and style and panache and class.
It may be a by-product of my getting older, but, to me, EVERYONE looks the same now, sounds the same, dresses the same. Everyone suffers in comparison to these uniquely individual artists.
In my opinion....
JS
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Post by karina on May 11, 2005 14:00:59 GMT -5
They definitely did "have faces then". But they also had different lighting, makeup and those wonderful silver gelatin prints. I think black & white photography is far superior to colour and the whole crackling, grainy filmstock of old black & white movies only serves to add to their magic.
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Post by Judy on May 11, 2005 14:16:56 GMT -5
I don't disagree...They had a lot of creative people making them into the images we know...But I'm saying, take away all that lighting and gorgeous photography. And imagine KH, Davis, Dietrich, Garbo and Bergman walking down the street right at you....Now imagine any number of today's very talented actors doing the same...Which group would turn your head?
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Post by karina on May 12, 2005 3:21:46 GMT -5
You have a very valid point. But I bet if you had Kate, Greta & Marlene walking to your right and Uma, Cate & Angelina to your left, there'd be a bit of a tennis game going on  |
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Post by Cate on May 12, 2005 16:57:15 GMT -5
Haha tennis game indeed. I don't think I could pick a side. Kate would turn my head because of the contrasting freckled skin and red hair with no make-up. She was so gorgeous without all of that. But most women look better without make-up, in my opinion.
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Post by Judy on May 12, 2005 18:25:29 GMT -5
No tennis game for me...not even close...Kate, Greta and Marlene any day of the week....
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Post by karina on Jun 4, 2005 13:25:34 GMT -5
What does anyone think of the MSNBC reader's opinion that compares Kate to Hilary Swank and Spencer to Tom Hanks?
I can sort of see what they mean, although I'm not sure I would have picked these two actors myself.
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Post by isis on Mar 27, 2006 16:59:37 GMT -5
I'm upset, nobody says in france that Catherine deneuve is french katharine hepburn !!!!! our gilles jacob had to be drunk this day. Deneuve is not comparable to kate. For me none french actress can be compared to hepburn (our cinema is really different but nor worth nor best), they play differently. If we want to find some comparisons : maybe jeanne moreau, for her nature ; Fanny Ardant for her smart modulations, isabelle huppert for the choice of her role. For the apparence, maybe Annette benning, geraldine chaplin and karin viard (french actress) look like Kate a little. But I don't have find yet, some actress ( wherever she come from) with the wealth of hepburn 's acting. She's single and that's why we love and admire her !  |
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Post by Kama on Feb 14, 2007 11:51:17 GMT -5
Compare? Well, it's too much. You know: "never to be replaced". But lately I have watched a few movies with Helen Mirren. She isn't Kate (only Kate was Kate ), but she has the power and much of class. She impressed me like no actress for many months (Kate, I must underline once more, is out of reach). |
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Post by Kama on Mar 1, 2007 18:39:50 GMT -5
I can't help. I must add something to my last post I found some quotes and they make my Kate-Helen comparison more interesting. We all know Kate's quotes about acting and life. And... Helen about acting: "When you do Shakespeare they think you must be intelligent because they think you understand what you're saying." "All you have to do is to look like crap on film and everyone thinks you're a brilliant actress. Actually, all you've done is look like crap." About Elizabeth I: "It's never been confirmed that Elizabeth was a virgin. It's like the Virgin Mary - it's about branding, a logo. To use a modern term, Elizabeth was actually a bit of a slut." And about life: "The trick in life is learning how to deal with it." Isn't she absolutely fantastic? ;D |
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Post by nerweniel on Mar 1, 2007 19:21:33 GMT -5
Haha, yeah, I know, Helen's definitely got the spunk, I really like her . And she's right about Elizabeth I (as much as I love Elizabeth  ). Still, I don't think any actress will ever be like Kate... she was so unique, as a woman and as an actress... I'm probably repeating in a rather clumsy manner what others already said but... goodness, I have always loved classic Hollywood, from when I was really, really little onwards, but then Kate came and she threw everything more or less upside down. She was, in my opinion, both very much a child of her time and way ahead of her time. I'm gonna stop gushing now . |
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Post by Kama on Mar 2, 2007 6:54:54 GMT -5
I agree, of course. As I wrote - Kate is out of reach. But it's interesting to try compare somebody to her. Some actress are.. well, not close maybe, but closer than others And I think Helen Mirren is in this category. You talked about Maggie Smith in thread about movies. Yeah, she is fantastic too. And Kate... You're right Nerewniel. Ahead of time, so modern. The one. |
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