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Post by HollywoodHepcat on Jul 8, 2010 13:56:19 GMT -5
I don't WANT to see either Kate OR Audrey on those damn handbags, either! I hated that GAP shamelessly pimped Audrey out for their skinny jean commercials, and cringed whenever I saw her Funny Face silhouette in their window displays. I hope you don't think I'm ~pretentious enough to consider myself "avant-garde" for not warming up to Audrey as much as I did with Kate, all those years ago. I realize you were summing-up the imdb boards, but still.
Judy's right; I think I'm just bitter. My formative years were spent being eternally disappointed, shot-down, made fun of, tucked under the chin (oh...), etc. etc. because of Ye Ole Spotted One. You can't blame me for having somewhat of a jaded view on Generation X. I'm not the only person in my circle of good friends that harbors this resentment, so maybe we just need... therapy? Rehab? I DON'T KNOW.
Somebody say something funny...
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Post by HollywoodHepcat on Jul 8, 2010 14:06:23 GMT -5
So, if the younger generation doesn't recognize her, where did all of YOU guys come from? ... I think there was a resurgence of interest in her life and career after she died in 2003, so that accounts for a good percentage of my age demographic. But for others like myself, we were either given hand-me-down VHS tapes, babysat by geriatrics, or naturally gravitated to the fluffy-haired lady with the metallic voice and the wildly flapping hands. But, I know, your point was that we can't be too quick to shun our peers simply because of a few bad experiences. It's just hard.
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Post by Judy on Jul 8, 2010 14:39:49 GMT -5
I don't WANT to see either Kate OR Audrey on those damn handbags, either! I hated that GAP shamelessly pimped Audrey out for their skinny jean commercials, and cringed whenever I saw her Funny Face silhouette in their window displays. I hope you don't think I'm ~pretentious enough to consider myself "avant-garde" for not warming up to Audrey as much as I did with Kate, all those years ago. I realize you were summing-up the imdb boards, but still. Judy's right; I think I'm just bitter. My formative years were spent being eternally disappointed, shot-down, made fun of, tucked under the chin (oh...), etc. etc. because of Ye Ole Spotted One. You can't blame me for having somewhat of a jaded view on Generation X. I'm not the only person in my circle of good friends that harbors this resentment, so maybe we just need... therapy? Rehab? I DON'T KNOW. Somebody say something funny... Nothing I've said here was aimed at ANYONE here. I hope that was understood. Everything's a matter of personal taste isn't it? Someone or something either moves you or it doesn't. What I can't abide are the folks on imdb who go out of their way to pee all over someone - and each other - just to be contrary and self-important. It's so childish. As for your jaded view, Amber - I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it ain't just Gen X. Bottom line is that I think that MOST of us stick to our circle of good friends because that's where we get the most respect for our views, even when we don't share the same views. So let's keep sharing them. Cause we're cute when we get causey....
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Post by HollywoodHepcat on Jul 8, 2010 15:25:08 GMT -5
Nothing I've said here was aimed at ANYONE here. I hope that was understood. Yes, I understand. Just checkin'. Everything's a matter of personal taste isn't it? Someone or something either moves you or it doesn't. What I can't abide are the folks on imdb who go out of their way to pee all over someone - and each other - just to be contrary and self-important. It's so childish. Well, you've seen more of what transpires on those boards than I have. Imdb.com showcases the lowest common denominator better than any other forum I know, so I rarely frequent there. Someone funny once said, "Whenever I'm feeling terribly too big for my britches, I look up my favorite movie on imdb and read all the comments on its message board. If that doesn't get you feeling inferior, then I don't know what does." As for your jaded view, Amber - I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it ain't just Gen X. Bottom line is that I think that MOST of us stick to our circle of good friends because that's where we get the most respect for our views, even when we don't share the same views. So let's keep sharing them. Cause we're cute when we get causey.... Truth! In a way we're lucky, because technology has made it possible for those with like-minded views/interests to convene and discuss. (Hi, everybody!) And I know every generation has its naysayers, but I was strictly speaking about my experience---it's a personal enterprise, being a classic film lover. Anyway. Yes. Get causey, friends!
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Post by martha on Jul 8, 2010 16:40:51 GMT -5
causey. always. hey chums.
see how she's with us?
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Post by charliesgirl7681 on Jul 8, 2010 17:20:02 GMT -5
When I was reading Hepburn's 'Me', which is quite a thick book, the girl sitting a head of me in class turned around and asked what I was reading. My response was, "Hepburn's autobio." Her response: "Ohh Audrey! I love her, that dance she does is soooo cute!" Me: *rolls eyes* Don't worry she is now a KH fan
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Post by HollywoodHepcat on Jul 8, 2010 17:57:25 GMT -5
causey. always. hey chums. see how she's with us? ...like warts and goiters and I wish she'd be removed. (Only sometimes. )
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Post by Judy on Jul 8, 2010 21:12:45 GMT -5
causey. always. hey chums. see how she's with us? ...like warts and goiters and I wish she'd be removed. (Only sometimes. ) No such luck, chum. She will be with you forever. You'll adore her and then you'll think she's a wacko - okay, you already do - ;D - and then you'll realize how wise that wacko really was - and will adore her again.
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Post by HollywoodHepcat on Jul 9, 2010 3:39:19 GMT -5
So, she's like... cancer? If we're going with that analogy, then I must be in remission.
EXCEPT I'M NOT. She has permanently altered my [Katie's, too] vernacular, that's for one thing. Insofar that I can't even pronounce the word "insofar" without her buttin' in: "IN-SO-FAAAWHR." Ugh. And that wasn't purloined from the movies; it was acquired by ear from the gol'darned Dick Cavett interview. So normal.
It's a strange thing. Did Katie or I ever tell ya'll about the time we met an old lady that Kate had once BIFFED [See? There she is again.] SQUARE IN THE JAW for being in the wrong place at the wrong time? [Meaning, she was waiting by the "As You Like It" stage door for an autograph, like any average theatre-goer.] Now, please to picture this young, starry-eyed girl, fresh from the excitement of being in the city for the first time and having just seen her favorite actress perform Shakespeare. Her stomach's in knots and both hands are digging into her program, producing crescent moon imprints of nervousness. All of a sudden, the wooden door swings open, and out trudges this half-madeup Rosalind, looking a fright and ready for blood. The Rosalind/Hepburn hybrid takes one look at this jittery young thing, yanks the program right out of her paws, and belts her in the face with it! She then proceeds to plow through the gathering crowd, warning them to "STAY OUT OF MY WAY," and leaving the little girl with the now-rumpled program in her wake.
I think what most perplexed us was how utterly besotted she still was with Kate---as if the actress had done absolutely nothing at all to warrant an unsavory opinion. If anything, she seemed honored that Kate had socked her one, like it was some kind of backward knighting ceremony. That's star power, and KH had it in spades.
...still doesn't excuse her for behaving like an ass, though. Twit.
I have a lot of fun at her expense, but please know I rarely mean what I say. I haven't stopped adoring her and I never will. Aww, Katty.
Remind me to tell you about the time she manhandled Spencer during a Lux Presents run-through.
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Post by Judy on Jul 9, 2010 9:19:22 GMT -5
So, she's like... cancer? If we're going with that analogy, then I must be in remission. EXCEPT I'M NOT. She has permanently altered my [Katie's, too] vernacular, that's for one thing. Insofar that I can't even pronounce the word "insofar" without her buttin' in: " IN-SO-FAAAWHR." Ugh. And that wasn't purloined from the movies; it was acquired by ear from the gol'darned Dick Cavett interview. So normal. It's a strange thing. Did Katie or I ever tell ya'll about the time we met an old lady that Kate had once BIFFED [See? There she is again.] SQUARE IN THE JAW for being in the wrong place at the wrong time? [Meaning, she was waiting by the "As You Like It" stage door for an autograph, like any average theatre-goer.] Now, please to picture this young, starry-eyed girl, fresh from the excitement of being in the city for the first time and having just seen her favorite actress perform Shakespeare. Her stomach's in knots and both hands are digging into her program, producing crescent moon imprints of nervousness. All of a sudden, the wooden door swings open, and out trudges this half-madeup Rosalind, looking a fright and ready for blood. The Rosalind/Hepburn hybrid takes one look at this jittery young thing, yanks the program right out of her paws, and belts her in the face with it! She then proceeds to plow through the gathering crowd, warning them to "STAY OUT OF MY WAY," and leaving the little girl with the now-rumpled program in her wake. I think what most perplexed us was how utterly besotted she still was with Kate---as if the actress had done absolutely nothing at all to warrant an unsavory opinion. If anything, she seemed honored that Kate had socked her one, like it was some kind of backward knighting ceremony. That's star power, and KH had it in spades. ...still doesn't excuse her for behaving like an ass, though. Twit. I have a lot of fun at her expense, but please know I rarely mean what I say. I haven't stopped adoring her and I never will. Aww, Katty. Remind me to tell you about the time she manhandled Spencer during a Lux Presents run-through. Cancer's your word. Not mine. But whatever. Anyone who doesn't know this stuff about her, doesn't know her. (For all you adoring Bacall fans, I have a story or two, too, about the behavior of an ass that beats a little Hepburn slap all to pieces. But I digress....) As we all know, Miss Hepburn was an attack-first-before-being-attacked kinda gal. Something in her nature made it so. And she might just as soon have smiled at the poor thing than not. That was her nature, too, it seems. But she mellowed. A bit. She didn't bop me in the face when we met. And I was just as starry-eyed and nervous and had twisted her letter invitation into a rag-like state. But, then, I didn't ask for an autograph at a stage door likely teeming with folks. Had I done so, I probably would've gotten socked, too.
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Post by HollywoodHepcat on Jul 9, 2010 19:44:13 GMT -5
Cancer's your word. Not mine. But whatever. Anyone who doesn't know this stuff about her, doesn't know her. (For all you adoring Bacall fans, I have a story or two, too, about the behavior of an ass that beats a little Hepburn slap all to pieces. But I digress....) As we all know, Miss Hepburn was an attack-first-before-being-attacked kinda gal. Something in her nature made it so. And she might just as soon have smiled at the poor thing than not. That was her nature, too, it seems. But she mellowed. A bit. She didn't bop me in the face when we met. And I was just as starry-eyed and nervous and had twisted her letter invitation into a rag-like state. But, then, I didn't ask for an autograph at a stage door likely teeming with folks. Had I done so, I probably would've gotten socked, too. Alright, so maybe "cancer" is too strong a word, although I'm not the originator of the term in reference to a classic film fandom; that started online years ago. (I'm well aware there's nothing funny about terminal illness.) She's more like a persistent cough, which no amount of Grape Dimetapp can lick. What even? 86 the analogies. If Betty B beat the crap out of a few people, I'm more apt to believe they had it coming to them...? And sure, you and I may "get" Kate, but that little Midwestern girl might not have been so privy to the idiosyncrasies of her personality. A part of me is playing Devil's Advocate here, but I think it's okay for us to talk about the not-so-flattering sides of Kate's eccentricity every once and a while. It doesn't hurt her, so long as we're not calling for a crucifixion. Eh, either you take all of person or none of person, I guess. That's true for anyone, but she's such a hard nut to crack. That's all I'm sayin'.
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Post by Judy on Jul 10, 2010 0:57:15 GMT -5
Cancer's your word. Not mine. But whatever. Anyone who doesn't know this stuff about her, doesn't know her. (For all you adoring Bacall fans, I have a story or two, too, about the behavior of an ass that beats a little Hepburn slap all to pieces. But I digress....) As we all know, Miss Hepburn was an attack-first-before-being-attacked kinda gal. Something in her nature made it so. And she might just as soon have smiled at the poor thing than not. That was her nature, too, it seems. But she mellowed. A bit. She didn't bop me in the face when we met. And I was just as starry-eyed and nervous and had twisted her letter invitation into a rag-like state. But, then, I didn't ask for an autograph at a stage door likely teeming with folks. Had I done so, I probably would've gotten socked, too. Alright, so maybe "cancer" is too strong a word, although I'm not the originator of the term in reference to a classic film fandom; that started online years ago. (I'm well aware there's nothing funny about terminal illness.) She's more like a persistent cough, which no amount of Grape Dimetapp can lick. What even? 86 the analogies. If Betty B beat the crap out of a few people, I'm more apt to believe they had it coming to them...? And sure, you and I may "get" Kate, but that little Midwestern girl might not have been so privy to the idiosyncrasies of her personality. A part of me is playing Devil's Advocate here, but I think it's okay for us to talk about the not-so-flattering sides of Kate's eccentricity every once and a while. It doesn't hurt her, so long as we're not calling for a crucifixion. Eh, either you take all of person or none of person, I guess. That's true for anyone, but she's such a hard nut to crack. That's all I'm sayin'. Interesting that you are so quick to believe that about Bacall. I've heard enough stories over the years about people who were in no way asking for it who got royally Bacalled. If you're looking for a tough nut...she's your girl. Nothing wrong with talking about the not-so-flattering sides of Kate. So you can talk about those, and still find her a hard habit to kick (thanks for taking back the cancer analogy though), and I can talk about the other stuff, and still recognize that she wasn't a 24/7 saint. That's all I'M sayin' :-)
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Post by Alicia on Jul 10, 2010 1:37:54 GMT -5
A part of me is playing Devil's Advocate here, but I think it's okay for us to talk about the not-so-flattering sides of Kate's eccentricity every once and a while. It doesn't hurt her, so long as we're not calling for a crucifixion. Eh, either you take all of person or none of person, I guess. That's true for anyone, but she's such a hard nut to crack. That's all I'm sayin'. I love that people here are open-minded and willing to discuss everything about Kate, both the positives and negatives. We're all here because we love Kate, crazy eccentricities and all. Nothin' wrong with that. Kate wouldn't be Kate without her "not-so-flattering" side. I've been on forums where people go crazy if someone mentions something even slightly negative about the board's subject. I've seen members kicked for perfectly reasonable mentions of flaws about their favorite stars, certainly nothing insulting, but other members cant stand to see anything negative said about their idols. Everyone has their flaws, even (especially?) classic film stars, and I don't think you can be a true fan if you can't accept that. Anyway... Most famous film I'd guess is TPS. I'm probably biased 'cause its my favorite, or the first of hers that I saw. All I know is, Kate IS Tracy Lord, and there's no one who could play it better. Needless to say, the film certainly did revive her career.
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Post by carol on Jul 10, 2010 4:42:32 GMT -5
I totally agree with you, Alicia. One of the reasons that I love this forum is that no one ever gets angry or we accept everybody's opinions and all. In other forums/sites, like Imdb, people are way too disrespectful and offensive.
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Post by gottamatch on Jul 13, 2010 8:38:53 GMT -5
It's nearly midnight, so I'm not reading this entire thread - sorry peeps, lazy fan status! But I just wanted to jump on the bandwagon on some stuff. Firstly, Alicia, I completely agree, I've said it before. This is the greatest forum. I cannot believe you are allowed to have a sense of humour like Amber and people shrug it off. If that happened in the Barbra community, she would get hate mail galore, they are an intense community, adoring fans, nothing more. It is a very robotic way of forum and this is much more relaxed and great fun. What a great group of people. Amber, at the top of page 2 (hopefully still this page), you wrote about Audrey handbags. It is because of the commercialisation of Audrey that I cannot stand her. I feel really bad because I adore Roman Holiday which I saw long before the handbag craze. It was like as soon as they did that with her and Marilyn, I automatically shut down the thought of watching any of their films. It's like they are way too commercial for me! I feel really snobby about it but I feel as though they aren't as *special* or *precious* maybe? It's the same with Elvis (although he was never my cup of tea) and James Dean. It's funny because I really liked Marilyn in How To Marry a Millionaire with Betty, and Monkey Business with Ginger, but I just have absolutely no interest in watching any of her other movies ever since the wallets and handbags came out. Isn't it interesting, a few of us feel the same way! I feel as though half the fun of loving these movies and movie stars is that they aren't 'fashionable' and we like them because we like them and no other commercial reason? Maybe? Did that make sense. It's late. Too late for forum writing lol I fear this will make no sense in the morning. . . Jess
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