Post by CrazyForKate on Feb 6, 2010 20:53:15 GMT -5
Sorry if there's a thread about this already...
Pick a performance or movie of Kate's you find underrated. Or a few; there are lots.
My pick is Without Love. KH is absolutely beautiful in it, both in terms of looks and acting- and utterly unlike any other role up to that point. She has a certain softness to her, while still strong- just beautiful. I honestly think she equalled her performances in WOTY and AR, and was better than in Pat and Mike. The movie itself is one of the better T/H's. Tracy's excellent, of course, and Ball and Wynn are marvelous. The plot's a tad far-fetched, but the performances make up for it.
My pick would be "Stage Door". Not that I think its an underrated 'performance', I just think that people don't like the film itself, so maybe that's more an underrated 'film' moreso than 'performance'. I think she's great in it and so is the rest of the cast. BTW, I refer not to those fanaticals like us, but moreso the general public with this one.
If only the film was in better quality (dont know about y'all, but mine has poor sound and visual quality, and that's on a propper DVD, it looks as though it had been recorded from a VHS) I think people would give it more of a chance. There are slow parts, but few imo.
But that was a god one CFK! I would have said Without Love if you hadn't I also adore the film and her performance. I think it's probably one of the most underrated, way more than Stage Door and I don't know why. When I first watched it, I would rewind and re-watch the piano scene with her listening to Spence play over and over and over and over to the point where I tracked down the song with the help of a fellow Kate fan! Wish Lucille had a bigger part, but she was still up and coming, what can ya do..
Post by charliesgirl7681 on Feb 7, 2010 10:39:43 GMT -5
Great topic! I completely agree Without Love is an underrated classic.
I really liked A Woman Rebels. It seems to get lumped into her box office flops of the 30's (which it was) but I really liked it. Pam was such a strong woman and her situtaion wasn't something talked about in the 1930's. I thought Kate's performance was brilliant and I don't think many people have seen the film. I LOVED the costuming, Kate looked amazing.
I also adore Undercurrent. I know it is a bit of a fan favorite here but it seems the 'outside' world has forgoten about it.
JADE IN DRAGON SEED. I think she's sensational in the part. She wasn't - and isn't so much underrated in it as she was lambasted for not actually being Chinese. Um. Okay. Guess she couldn't do everything. I understand the criticism in theory, but I couldn't disagree more about the execution of the role.
Actually, I think the entire cast is wonderful. It's difficult for people to suspend their disbelief and see her as a Chinese peasant. Okay, I get that. But the part is really of a woman not willing to settle for the accepted ways for women, who yearns to expand her knowledge and is smart enough to do so, who loves her man enough to guide him down the right path, who is instrumental in educating her husband and his family about their own political climate - AND who is a heroine to boot, endangering her own life for a greater good and taking the enemy down in the process.
Let's see - whip smart woman, loyal and loving, strong and heroic and willing to make sacrifices. That's a Hepburn part if ever there was one.
SYLVESTER SCARLETTO - aka Sylvia Scarlett. Again, I think this is mostly an instance of the movie being critically underrated - not so much today but back then. The movie really isn't so outrageous. It's actually pretty sweet and classical in its depiction of the blurring of the sexes. And, mock it as she and Cukor did - I never believed for a moment that they meant it. It seemed to me that they had a great deal of affection for it and were protesting too much, when they actually had a soft spot for it. Just my view. Anyway, yeah, it starts to go sort of all over the place plot-wise, but I think the movie's charming and that it contains one of her best performances. Ever. I can't quite see how any of her contemporaries could have played such a role. Not just because of the androgyny - but also because of the playfulness and spirit and sense of adventure - and specifically because of that quality of naivete and vulnerability hiding just underneath the nothing-can-hurt-me surface that she could portray better than anyone.
Post by CrazyForKate on Feb 8, 2010 13:32:02 GMT -5
I'm going to add Christopher Strong to the list; KH was excellent, as were Billie Burke and Helen Chandler. The only big flaws were Colin Clive (a bit wooden) and some awkward direction. But in Kate's case, she was quite underrated. Hard to believe that it was only her second film.
Yes, I agree about Christopher Strong. I found it very moving, and I think it really highlighted the struggle women faced in the '30s. And the moth costume, can't forget about that! I wrote a paper about Kate's film roles for my film studies class, and this was one of the films I chose to analyze. I think my TA thought I was nuts. Oh well, good times.
Judy: All has changed on the Proboard....Not sure my reply got posted. Anyway, thanks for the notice, Evelien. I'm unable to access it. I can watch the clip of the woman flipping through the Kate books and talking about fashion - one of which is Rebel Chic :-)
Feb 4, 2014 20:29:21 GMT -5
dreamer: Ok peeps have tried to figure this new board - with not much success In order to login - click at the upper right corner - use your name from the board and your password and it should be all right. If not - please let me know and I will try to help!
Jul 29, 2014 7:30:03 GMT -5
Judy: I can enter. But not sure how to post now....Although I have nothing exciting to say, except hello to everyone!
Jul 29, 2014 20:34:38 GMT -5
Sherry: Hello in return.
Jul 31, 2014 10:40:25 GMT -5
HollywoodHepcat: Awww, hiiii!! I'm randomly here in hope of sourcing a quote of Kate's about Joel Mccrea-- coming up short, though. Ah well, hope everyone is well!! FINALLY A RED AND WHITE BANNER. TOOK 8 YEARS, BUT... WE MADE IT.
Aug 5, 2014 20:43:01 GMT -5
Tracy Lord: Just wanted to say a big HEY to everyone! I would love it if this board was active like it once was. I've missed it!
Aug 6, 2014 17:23:36 GMT -5
evelien: Hi everyone, hope you're all fine. I'm still alive and kicking and still as big a KH fan.
Aug 12, 2014 12:09:24 GMT -5
evelien: Judy: to reply to an existing thread, you can post a message in the 'quick reply' box under the last post on the page. To create a new thread: click on the folder you wish to post a new thread in and on the top right side you can choose 'New thread'.
Aug 12, 2014 12:11:39 GMT -5
CFK: So we all heard about Betty Bacall, I guess? Pretty rotten news, especially following so closely on Robin Williams. What a lousy week. Watched To Have and Have Not as tribute tonight.
Aug 13, 2014 0:25:58 GMT -5
HollywoodHepcat: Oh my God. Betty. My heart's in my throat.
Aug 13, 2014 5:45:59 GMT -5
lomola : hello fellow KH fans Just stumbled upon this interesting board.. Does anyone have any video interviews with KH?? Or maybe transcripts of them? I´ve been especially looking for the full version of the famous Cavett one forever and ever...
Sept 15, 2014 16:06:41 GMT -5
lomola : the bits of it i found on youtube were just amazing..
Sept 15, 2014 16:07:35 GMT -5
Laura: Is there anybody here? My registration has been pending approval forever... Maybe this board has been abandonned by the owner..
Dec 15, 2014 3:40:49 GMT -5
Fran: I think the problem with actresses such as Bette Davis and Joan Crawford was that they played SEX SYMBOLS and did woman movies. They were sexy in their day and were the main love interests in the movie. When they got older those woman type movies were dead
Jun 26, 2017 16:56:41 GMT -5
Fran: Bette Davis made very different movies from Katherine Hepburn Hepburn. Bette was sexy. So was Crawford. They made woman type movies. Hepburn was the masculine feminist. When their looks went, so did their careers. Hepburn was never that type.
Jun 26, 2017 16:57:53 GMT -5
Angela: Personally, I like Bette Davis best she was "a woman for all season" she didn't mince words she did the role without having to apologize for creativity she musters to do the work. Also, she could look different without worrying about her appearance.
Mar 14, 2019 19:54:07 GMT -5
Angela: Personally, I felt Bette Davis was the "woman for all seasons" since she used all her creativity to make her artwork. As for Katherine she seems to sound the same - her voice didn't change. Granted she was good in Shakespeare which I give credit.
Mar 14, 2019 19:56:35 GMT -5