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Post by carol on Jul 13, 2010 10:40:19 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense, Jess. I agree. I have nothing against Marilyn Monroe, I actually think she was a good comedienne, but she is everywhere. I feel like people who love Audrey, Marilyn, and James Dean either just love them cause it's fashionable and don't know their movies or anything about them, or they do and if you ask them about any other star of The Golden Age they wouldn't know them. I have nothing against any of them, but it's kinda tiring to keep seeing them in handbags, posters, make-up kits and stuff like that. I mean, I get that commercializing (?) them is a way of getting them to know about classic movies and such, but that doesn't happen most of the time.
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Post by Judy on Jul 13, 2010 13:49:35 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense, Jess. I agree. I have nothing against Marilyn Monroe, I actually think she was a good comedienne, but she is everywhere. I feel like people who love Audrey, Marilyn, and James Dean either just love them cause it's fashionable and don't know their movies or anything about them, or they do and if you ask them about any other star of The Golden Age they wouldn't know them. I have nothing against any of them, but it's kinda tiring to keep seeing them in handbags, posters, make-up kits and stuff like that. I mean, I get that commercializing (?) them is a way of getting them to know about classic movies and such, but that doesn't happen most of the time. I'm just gonna butt in here for a moment and say, PLEASE don't let how others commercialize these actors influence you. You will be missing so much. Just go back to the source. To their work. And forget about the rest. And you will be rewarded. I'm not referring to any actor in particular because we all have our preferences and our individual taste. After watching them you may STILL not connect to them. But that would be based on what they legitimately had to offer rather than on extraneous junk that was not of their making - like handbags, etc. Try to base your decision on their work.
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Post by carol on Jul 15, 2010 17:44:33 GMT -5
I've seen quite a few movies with Marilyn Monroe and Audrey Hepburn and liked them but they just aren't my cup of tea. Nothing against them really, it's just that they didn't do for me. Although I think Marilyn was really good in Some like it hot. But I understand that some people might get turned off by the massive commercialisation. It's just 'too much', I guess.
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Post by HollywoodHepcat on Jul 15, 2010 23:12:57 GMT -5
Firstly, Alicia, I completely agree, I've said it before. This is the greatest forum. I cannot believe you are allowed to have a sense of humour like Amber and people shrug it off. If that happened in the Barbra community, she would get hate mail galore, they are an intense community, adoring fans, nothing more. It is a very robotic way of forum and this is much more relaxed and great fun. What a great group of people. WARNING: This may get gratuitously causey. Again. First, are you still a contributing member of the Barbra Forum from earlier last year? You know, the very same board that called you asinine for enjoying Katharine Hepburn's work [until I ~infiltrated the place and subsequently clawed their eyes out]? If you are not, and are simply generalizing the community as a whole, then I would say it’s best to remove yourself from that kind of a cooker-pressure atmosphere. There must be some place on the WWW where Barbra fans can gather and have a little light-hearted fun, right? Secondly, I would get hate mail for saying Babs has crooked toes and smells like Tareyton cigarettes? [I'm only choosing things I may or may not have jokingly claimed about Kate at one point... Oh.] Forgive me, but that is unquestionably the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Who even are these people, the Thought Police™? I would think that Streisand fans have senses o' humor? Although, Streisand sometimes takes herself a little too seriously (SHE HAS A DUET WITH HERSELF, FOLKS; I LOVE HER), so I may be wrong in that assumption. I hope, no I know, you’re not the only exception to the rule, Jess! Take a look at the Judy Garland community--a veritable smorgasbord of fan species if there ever was one--that can toss a pill/fat joke around with the best of ‘em. Like, saying she resembles The Cactus King ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uct7L5RdZns) here: (Please don't stone me, Martha!) At the end of the day, her legacy is still intact and she has put a smile on someone's face. Hell, if Judy were alive today, she’d probably be the first to join in the fun. Now, I've heard some pretty unfunny cracks made at J-Gar's expense over the years, so it’s a fine line. But humor isn’t a ~safe zone; it’s the exact opposite. Yet, I’m still torn on this general subject. What is funny? While I know that the stars, themselves, probably wouldn’t approve of all the gratuitous cursing and goofing around (except Carole Lombard, who taught us all how to swear like a sailor), people have got to let the younger generations have their fun. Classic film can’t continue to be so serious business, or we’ll turn new prospectors off. We’re fangirls, fanboys, whateveryouwannacallit. Professional presentations are nice, but you have to have a little fun with it from time to time. There’s always been such a “class war” in the classic movie fandom, where the reigning authorities get their knickers in a twist over a kid not being knowledgeable enough (yes, this tomfoolery has happened in the Kate group, too---to me) or what have you. Joking about these people doesn’t tarnish their images; it simply makes them more accessible to the modern youth. We may look silly, but people are laughing and loving these stars from the Golden Age, and that ridiculous glass case that has been built around them completely shatters. And, voila! New fans. Basically, I echo these sentiments from Mary Tyler Moore: WE ALL MUST LAUGH, OR CHUCKLES THE CLOWN WILL HAVE DIED IN VAIN! LEMON OUT. Amber, at the top of page 2 (hopefully still this page), you wrote about Audrey handbags. It is because of the commercialisation of Audrey that I cannot stand her. I feel really bad because I adore Roman Holiday which I saw long before the handbag craze. It was like as soon as they did that with her and Marilyn, I automatically shut down the thought of watching any of their films. It's like they are way too commercial for me! I feel really snobby about it but I feel as though they aren't as *special* or *precious* maybe? It's the same with Elvis (although he was never my cup of tea) and James Dean. It's funny because I really liked Marilyn in How To Marry a Millionaire with Betty, and Monkey Business with Ginger, but I just have absolutely no interest in watching any of her other movies ever since the wallets and handbags came out. Isn't it interesting, a few of us feel the same way! LEMON BACK IN FOR A SECOND. I happen to really like Norma Jean, for I find hers to be a true Cinderella story that went horribly wrong. She was terribly frightened of becoming a joke, and I’m sorry to say that’s exactly what she’s become. Ugh, just ugh. Audrey and I, on the other hand, have had a long and storied history. Needless to say, we have found a common ground, and I enjoy a lot of her work. Have you seen A Nun’s Story? Wait Until Dark? Two For the Road? The Children’s Hour? The Millionair—oh, that’s not one of hers. Just give her a try. Mainstream doesn’t always mean ~over-rated~. Look at Lucy! I’ll love that faux redhead until the day I die. LEMON OFFICIALLY OUT.
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Post by HollywoodHepcat on Jul 16, 2010 0:06:08 GMT -5
Interesting that you are so quick to believe that about Bacall. I've heard enough stories over the years about people who were in no way asking for it who got royally Bacalled. If you're looking for a tough nut...she's your girl. Nothing wrong with talking about the not-so-flattering sides of Kate. So you can talk about those, and still find her a hard habit to kick (thanks for taking back the cancer analogy though), and I can talk about the other stuff, and still recognize that she wasn't a 24/7 saint. That's all I'M sayin' :-) I don't think it THAT interesting. Lauren Bacall is one scary, intimidating lady. I would be quite content to have a conversation with Sophie, if I were ever to run into LB on the streets of Manhattan. And I don't even like Sophie. I just haven't heard as many-- any really--anecdotes about LB belting someone that hadn't been deserving of it. I have, however, heard of her being a holy terror to handle, from a friend of a friend that once had to manage her at an event, but that's a horse of a different color. Or perhaps it's not. Funnily enough, I don't find Kate to be a scary lady. Although, I've probably been desensitized. ::shrugs:: I only wanted to share a funny story about Kate hitting someone. ;D It's really hard for Katie and I to discuss Kate so neutrally, since she's been like a... something... for the greater part of our collective lives. Also, we're ridiculous and probably certifiable. They say a picture is worth 1,000 words, so this might describe our relationship with her better than anything I could ever say: [I'm reeling at how many times the word "I" has been used in my recent posts. Apologies.]
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Post by Alicia on Jul 16, 2010 0:37:55 GMT -5
Audrey and I, on the other hand, have had a long and storied history. Needless to say, we have found a common ground, and I enjoy a lot of her work. Have you seen A Nun’s Story? Wait Until Dark? Two For the Road? The Children’s Hour? The Millionair—oh, that’s not one of hers. Just give her a try. Mainstream doesn’t always mean ~over-rated~. Look at Lucy! I’ll love that faux redhead until the day I die. Very true indeed! I really like Audrey, but for some reason she has never captured my obsessive fandom in the same way that other stars have. I don't know why exactly. Those are all great films you listed, especially The Children’s Hour and Wait Until Dark, IMO. I would also add Roman Holiday, and who could forget Breakfast at Tiffany's. Although, Audrey's performance in My Fair Lady will always annoy the hell outta me. But I won't get into that here...
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Post by carol on Jul 17, 2010 5:50:07 GMT -5
Yeah, that just happens. Some actors are just not our cup of tea I guess, even though we know they're great. For example, everybody says that Shelley Winters is an amazing actress, and I realize that, but I can't really stand her, don't know why.
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Post by martha on Jul 17, 2010 7:51:18 GMT -5
WARNING: This may get gratuitously causey. Again. .... Take a look at the Judy Garland community--a veritable smorgasbord of fan species if there ever was one--that can toss a pill/fat joke around with the best of ‘em. Like, saying she resembles The Cactus King ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uct7L5RdZns) here: (Please don't stone me, Martha!) At the end of the day, her legacy is still intact and she has put a smile on someone's face. Hell, if Judy were alive today, she’d probably be the first to join in the fun. Now, I've heard some pretty unfunny cracks made at J-Gar's expense over the years, so it’s a fine line. But humor isn’t a ~safe zone; it’s the exact opposite. ... LEMON OFFICIALLY OUT. no stoning from me, amber. i think you pegged the range of garland fans pretty well. with extremes at either end, most agree that judy could take a joke with the best of 'em and often was the first to make 'em about herself. some folks love to adopt the poor poor judy, let's analyze what we think were all her traumas so we can feel better about ourselves frame of fandom. which is tedious at best and really actionable at worst. carry on ..
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Post by moonriver on Sept 26, 2010 20:34:33 GMT -5
Oh it´s very hard because I can´t follow the discusion! I´m sorry because I´m going to give my opinion without ours. I think that Katharine Hepburn haven´t got a most famous or important film. She is herself. People know Kate Hepburn and each one have got their favorite film. I don´t belived that there is the most favorite film. It´s true, TPS is clasicc between classic but it isn´t the first KH´s movie for everybody. I think that Kate Hepburn and Spence Tracy are more famous that TPS ja, ja,ja . Look! Several days ago, my dad who isn´t a fanatic of cinema, aks me that I´watching and I said "Holiday" with Katharine Hepburn. He said: "Oh, Do you know who was her love?" and I said: Spence Tracy...My father smiled and said: "Yeeess"
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Post by Serena on Sept 27, 2010 15:20:17 GMT -5
I do agree with you moonriver, it's hard to say which is Kate's most famous film since she wasn't a one-hit-wonder, far from it. So there are several that have stood the test of time and are true classics now.
As far as Kate and Spence go, I think their relationship is definitely legendary and the feelings they had for each other we can only hope to feel one day (at least that's how I feel).
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